Comments on: Injection site preparation… http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/ Ockham had his Razor. He Shaved with Delicacy. I Sever with Blunt Force. Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:38:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: MrL http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-6476 MrL Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:57:47 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-6476 that was a great GREAT article...as a bodybuilding champion, I get asked the steroid thing on a constant daily basis, and even have friends who saw my physical growth and thought by spending $300 and poking themselves they would look like me. They forgot the 5 grueling years i spent training without drugs, while they were partying and abusing thier bodies, i was in an empty gym bettering myself. I think was just a great great read, and I do recommend anyone who hasnt seen the 13 part youtube interview with warrior to check it out. Great to see a well developed human being inside and out, who, like me, didnt have a father around to teach him the true meaning of being a man, to find his way thru all the bullshit and liars and backstabbers and come out on the other side with chin up, and total unscathed. bravo my friend that was a great GREAT article…as a bodybuilding champion, I get asked the steroid thing on a constant daily basis, and even have friends who saw my physical growth and thought by spending $300 and poking themselves they would look like me. They forgot the 5 grueling years i spent training without drugs, while they were partying and abusing thier bodies, i was in an empty gym bettering myself. I think was just a great great read, and I do recommend anyone who hasnt seen the 13 part youtube interview with warrior to check it out. Great to see a well developed human being inside and out, who, like me, didnt have a father around to teach him the true meaning of being a man, to find his way thru all the bullshit and liars and backstabbers and come out on the other side with chin up, and total unscathed.

bravo my friend

]]> By: Milo http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5107 Milo Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:00:46 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5107 In all walks of life, it is dedication that leads to success. While we can debate the ethics of rule-breaking, we cannot debate the sheer amount of time, effort, and sacrifice it takes to become great, whether that be as a professional athlete, a skilled musician, or a world-class architect. Greatness is a lifetime commitment. However, I'd ask: can you ever call a cheater a hero? A role model? While a cheater indeed may be the best in his field, he will always be accountable---indeed, must always be held accountable---for his actions, his regimen, and his choices. Being the best means not only doing all that in necessary to win but doing it with dignity. There are no undignified heroes. And there should be no undignified role models. W-- I appreciate the comment(s). But it is always interesting to me how so many people “choose” to skip right over vital pieces of what I have said. First, where is the cheating, the rule-breaking? Those high-profile athletes being <em>most</em> scrutinized and discredited did not break -- "cheat" -- any rules. From what we know, Bonds, McQuire, even Clemens, did not violate any legal, written rules of the game at the time they took the kinds of performance enhancements they did. Taking these substances has not until recent years been an issue or violation. In fact, like I point out: those in charge of eradicating performance enhancement use from the sport entirely don’t have a genuine desire to do so; this is obvious from the fact that they will not take the action to impose the ultimate penalty -- a lifetime ban at first strike. So, where IS the cheating, the breaking of rules, you insinuate? You mention debating the ethics of ruling breaking, but I’d be more curious to debate your own ethics. How and why can you so easily, unconditionally and deliberately misconstrue cheating to, then, purposely mislead others to accept that there was cheating when, in fact, there was not? The “actions, regimen, and choices” of many of these athletes, as far as we know thus far, were all within the rules they were to given to play by. And, by this standard, I have to ask: what is "undignified" about what these athletes did necessarily to win, when what was done was done within the rules? Your standard is your standard. But it is not the standard these elite athletes abide by. They play by their organization’s rules, not yours. An athlete setting out to achieve professional level of performance does not set out on their journey with the primary purpose to be a "hero". They do it to be the best at the game they play and earn the money they are paid. "Hero" is an label others give them, and it carries various subjectively-derived connotations. Some people use performances stats all alone to call an athlete a hero. I wouldn't, but some do. Whether or not there are no undignified heroes is arguable. There are countless individuals throughout history who were initially seen as undignified simply because they were not conformist to status-quo views and opinions, yet later, they become revered as heroes because they stood their ground and did not compromise their right and sound views to the typical conventional wrong and unsound views at the time. Mark my words, the day will come in the not so distant future where performance enhancement, as used in sports or to increase the quality of life, will not be seen in the negative, "undignified" light it ridiculously is today. Moreover, I think there’s something much less heroic and less dignified about all those non-athletes who are enviously and ignorantly vilifying it than there is about those athletes who have reasonably and intelligently chosen to take advantage of it. About your comment that there should be no undignified role-models, I have to say, since when, as you readily imply, are only athletes (and celebrities) role-models? I would also ask, what is it that you don’t get about today’s culture across the board? We -- all human beings -- are ALL role models ALL the time. An example set by any human being is an example some other human being will inevitably learn and follow. And the majority of today’s undignified role-models can be found throughout the common masses, not just in the world of sports -- and certainly not ONLY those who use, or have used, performance enhancement. Our culture spawns the majority of today's undignified human beings, not professional athletics. People selling their soul for 15 minutes of Jack-Ass fame is role-modeling much more undignified than what a pro-athlete will do to find any edge he can to excel at the highest performance levels. It’s interesting that many people critical of athletic performance enhancement and find that it is such a horrible role-modeling example never mention, not even the slightest bit, having any problem with the low and debased behavioral standard popularly set by so many other human beings today. <em>Prejudiced, one-sided criticism driven by jealousy is undignified, for sure.</em></p></p></p></p> In all walks of life, it is dedication that leads to success. While we can debate the ethics of rule-breaking, we cannot debate the sheer amount of time, effort, and sacrifice it takes to become great, whether that be as a professional athlete, a skilled musician, or a world-class architect. Greatness is a lifetime commitment. However, I’d ask: can you ever call a cheater a hero? A role model? While a cheater indeed may be the best in his field, he will always be accountable—indeed, must always be held accountable—for his actions, his regimen, and his choices. Being the best means not only doing all that in necessary to win but doing it with dignity. There are no undignified heroes. And there should be no undignified role models.

W– I appreciate the comment(s). But it is always interesting to me how so many people “choose” to skip right over vital pieces of what I have said. First, where is the cheating, the rule-breaking? Those high-profile athletes being most scrutinized and discredited did not break — “cheat” — any rules. From what we know, Bonds, McQuire, even Clemens, did not violate any legal, written rules of the game at the time they took the kinds of performance enhancements they did. Taking these substances has not until recent years been an issue or violation. In fact, like I point out: those in charge of eradicating performance enhancement use from the sport entirely don’t have a genuine desire to do so; this is obvious from the fact that they will not take the action to impose the ultimate penalty — a lifetime ban at first strike. So, where IS the cheating, the breaking of rules, you insinuate?

You mention debating the ethics of ruling breaking, but I’d be more curious to debate your own ethics. How and why can you so easily, unconditionally and deliberately misconstrue cheating to, then, purposely mislead others to accept that there was cheating when, in fact, there was not? The “actions, regimen, and choices” of many of these athletes, as far as we know thus far, were all within the rules they were to given to play by. And, by this standard, I have to ask: what is “undignified” about what these athletes did necessarily to win, when what was done was done within the rules? Your standard is your standard. But it is not the standard these elite athletes abide by. They play by their organization’s rules, not yours.

An athlete setting out to achieve professional level of performance does not set out on their journey with the primary purpose to be a “hero”. They do it to be the best at the game they play and earn the money they are paid. “Hero” is an label others give them, and it carries various subjectively-derived connotations. Some people use performances stats all alone to call an athlete a hero. I wouldn’t, but some do.

Whether or not there are no undignified heroes is arguable. There are countless individuals throughout history who were initially seen as undignified simply because they were not conformist to status-quo views and opinions, yet later, they become revered as heroes because they stood their ground and did not compromise their right and sound views to the typical conventional wrong and unsound views at the time. Mark my words, the day will come in the not so distant future where performance enhancement, as used in sports or to increase the quality of life, will not be seen in the negative, “undignified” light it ridiculously is today. Moreover, I think there’s something much less heroic and less dignified about all those non-athletes who are enviously and ignorantly vilifying it than there is about those athletes who have reasonably and intelligently chosen to take advantage of it.

About your comment that there should be no undignified role-models, I have to say, since when, as you readily imply, are only athletes (and celebrities) role-models? I would also ask, what is it that you don’t get about today’s culture across the board? We — all human beings — are ALL role models ALL the time. An example set by any human being is an example some other human being will inevitably learn and follow. And the majority of today’s undignified role-models can be found throughout the common masses, not just in the world of sports — and certainly not ONLY those who use, or have used, performance enhancement. Our culture spawns the majority of today’s undignified human beings, not professional athletics. People selling their soul for 15 minutes of Jack-Ass fame is role-modeling much more undignified than what a pro-athlete will do to find any edge he can to excel at the highest performance levels. It’s interesting that many people critical of athletic performance enhancement and find that it is such a horrible role-modeling example never mention, not even the slightest bit, having any problem with the low and debased behavioral standard popularly set by so many other human beings today. <em>Prejudiced, one-sided criticism driven by jealousy is undignified, for sure.</em></p></p></p>

]]> By: Bob http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5088 Bob Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:33:28 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5088 That pretty much sums up how I feel. The owners believe the home run game is putting asses in seats. Who cares how it gets done? Let em' juice all they want! Just don't use the phrase "integrity of the game" ever again, if you're pretending to be totally against steroids but not being tough on it. They might as well let Pete Rose back in, and put him in the Hall of Fame. That would get people to pay a few dollars. The steroids are everywhere, even in cycling. I don't believe they have a permanent ban, but the penalties are stiff. I believe they give back prize money and results get changed for positive tests. In baseball, not so stiff. I also agree that they won't make a mediocre athlete an elite performer. The only edge you'd get are against athletes in your performance range. Great writing. Keep on self destructing! That pretty much sums up how I feel. The owners believe the home run game is putting asses in seats. Who cares how it gets done? Let em’ juice all they want! Just don’t use the phrase “integrity of the game” ever again, if you’re pretending to be totally against steroids but not being tough on it. They might as well let Pete Rose back in, and put him in the Hall of Fame. That would get people to pay a few dollars. The steroids are everywhere, even in cycling. I don’t believe they have a permanent ban, but the penalties are stiff. I believe they give back prize money and results get changed for positive tests. In baseball, not so stiff.
I also agree that they won’t make a mediocre athlete an elite performer. The only edge you’d get are against athletes in your performance range. Great writing. Keep on self destructing!

]]> By: Heat http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5083 Heat Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:02:03 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5083 Warrior, let me also add that there ARE, or at least, have been, some good role models in recent years. One is Tiki Barber, who every time he opened his mouth, there was class, dignity and heroism. And like you, he isn't afraid to be politically incorrect. Like you, he knew he thought beyong football while still a professional athlete and has gone on to have success in a different field. Like you, no drug rehab or criminal record. People like you and Tiki, standup guys like you, should be worshipped like the heros that you are, as opposed to these guys who like to use all their free time screwing hookers and getting into fights an nightclubs. We need people like you guys to come together and speak against the unimportance of such things like that. A way to be better, I guess. Warrior, let me also add that there ARE, or at least, have been, some good role models in recent years. One is Tiki Barber, who every time he opened his mouth, there was class, dignity and heroism. And like you, he isn’t afraid to be politically incorrect. Like you, he knew he thought beyong football while still a professional athlete and has gone on to have success in a different field. Like you, no drug rehab or criminal record. People like you and Tiki, standup guys like you, should be worshipped like the heros that you are, as opposed to these guys who like to use all their free time screwing hookers and getting into fights an nightclubs. We need people like you guys to come together and speak against the unimportance of such things like that. A way to be better, I guess.

]]> By: Heat http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5082 Heat Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:45:14 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5082 You're right, warrior. Bonds and Clemons let us down. Clemens looks the congressman in the eyes and says he never cheated and his success is based on hard work. A truth, no doubt. But somehow, like you said, he finds no difficulty in lying about not using steroids. I remember when he first came out and denied it. My chest sunk in and i thought aboutt you. Because you made it very clear very long ago that athletes should be honest about steroid use. Also, it's not like i need you to think for me, it's just a part of me was lying to myself when I defended Clemens recently. It's just so ironic, because he didn't do anything wrong by taking steroids, that made all the sense in the world, because he was the best pitcher of all time, he never should have taken a back seat to anyone. But by saying he never did use them, he 'cheated' all of his fans all over the world, especially the kids who idolize(d) him. I also really liked the story about the shot-putter, it was super cool. I guess you can never forget people like that. thanks for being the best, Warrior. It means the world to me. PS. I like how you took a well-deserved shot at that bozo, Canseco. You’re right, warrior. Bonds and Clemons let us down. Clemens looks the congressman in the eyes and says he never cheated and his success is based on hard work. A truth, no doubt. But somehow, like you said, he finds no difficulty in lying about not using steroids. I remember when he first came out and denied it. My chest sunk in and i thought aboutt you. Because you made it very clear very long ago that athletes should be honest about steroid use. Also, it’s not like i need you to think for me, it’s just a part of me was lying to myself when I defended Clemens recently. It’s just so ironic, because he didn’t do anything wrong by taking steroids, that made all the sense in the world, because he was the best pitcher of all time, he never should have taken a back seat to anyone. But by saying he never did use them, he ‘cheated’ all of his fans all over the world, especially the kids who idolize(d) him.

I also really liked the story about the shot-putter, it was super cool. I guess you can never forget people like that. thanks for being the best, Warrior. It means the world to me.

PS. I like how you took a well-deserved shot at that bozo, Canseco.

]]> By: Nick A http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5020 Nick A Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:36:52 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5020 Always great to read an informed, intelligent point of view in regards to the topic of steroid use. I've had this discussion myself with countless people in the past and simply cannot believe the amount of ignorance people have on the subject. Always great to read an informed, intelligent point of view in regards to the topic of steroid use. I’ve had this discussion myself with countless people in the past and simply cannot believe the amount of ignorance people have on the subject.

]]> By: Sponge Daddy http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5004 Sponge Daddy Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:42:01 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-5004 Warrior. Very well written, and from an experienced perspective. It is good to see your expanded views, unlike on Hannity where he kept cutting you off. As a non-champion professional athlete. I can attest that you truly speak the truth here. Very few in my sport win by obeying all of the rules. You know what I am all about, Warrior. I will obey all of the rules, which is probably why I will never win. Two more things here. First., could you do something about this grey on grey background for comments. It is very difficult for me to read. I do not want to make very many typos....but checking my typing is difficult in this format. Also, today is Feb 22nd. I just wanted to wish a Happy Birthday to THE greatest leader this country has ever known. Be well, Sponge Warrior. Very well written, and from an experienced perspective. It is good to see your expanded views, unlike on Hannity where he kept cutting you off.

As a non-champion professional athlete. I can attest that you truly speak the truth here. Very few in my sport win by obeying all of the rules. You know what I am all about, Warrior. I will obey all of the rules, which is probably why I will never win.

Two more things here. First., could you do something about this grey on grey background for comments. It is very difficult for me to read. I do not want to make very many typos….but checking my typing is difficult in this format.

Also, today is Feb 22nd. I just wanted to wish a Happy Birthday to THE greatest leader this country has ever known.

Be well,

Sponge

]]> By: Steve http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4979 Steve Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:13:12 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4979 (insert applause here) I had to do a paper for my Ethics class in college and I chose from the topic list, "Steroids in Sports". One of the main arguments was that these days guys aren't taking steriods to get ahead anymore, they are taking them just to be even the playing field with the general mass of steroid users in their line of work. Changed a few perspectives that day as I'm sure you may have with this passage. Keep up the good work. (insert applause here)

I had to do a paper for my Ethics class in college and I chose from the topic list, “Steroids in Sports”. One of the main arguments was that these days guys aren’t taking steriods to get ahead anymore, they are taking them just to be even the playing field with the general mass of steroid users in their line of work. Changed a few perspectives that day as I’m sure you may have with this passage.

Keep up the good work.

]]> By: brendan warburton http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4976 brendan warburton Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:48:28 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4976 a fantastic read, and opened my eyes many times. thankyou mr warrior for the comments, a fantastic read, and opened my eyes many times.

thankyou mr warrior for the comments,

]]> By: PD http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4972 PD Thu, 21 Feb 2008 17:53:49 +0000 http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/2008/02/20/injection-site-preparation/#comment-4972 This was very, very well written article! It’s nice to get a point of view from someone who actually has some background on the subjects of both steroid use and the mindset it takes to be a high level professional athlete. It’s nice to get the whole story as opposed to when you tried to tell it on Hannity & Colmes and constantly got interrupted by their attempts to manipulate your answers to what they wanted to hear. Thank you for the insight. This was very, very well written article! It’s nice to get a point of view from someone who actually has some background on the subjects of both steroid use and the mindset it takes to be a high level professional athlete. It’s nice to get the whole story as opposed to when you tried to tell it on Hannity & Colmes and constantly got interrupted by their attempts to manipulate your answers to what they wanted to hear. Thank you for the insight.

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